The church needs to be contemporary, right? Im afraid for our church. @ Todd Wilhelm: the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. If we would just let God be God, He would draw all men unto Himself. David is a gifted speaker and inspiring leader. Yes, if nothing else I wonder how much of a burden these self-acclaimed superman leaders put on the rest of us who cannot seem to do as much as they do. For a variety of reasons, I ended up attending a different fellowship but at that time had nothing bad to say about my experience at McLean. I have read all his books and eagerly take notes from every sermon. He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. But I wonder if the drawbacks of the megachurch are worth those benefits. WebDec 1, 2019 John Ross Bowie doesn't really have a lisp, but he fakes it admirably well and with hilarious results as Bawwy Kwipke - er, I mean Barry Kripke - on The Big Bang Theory. Its because, not so deep down, they know that they themselves are no more than bloggers; the only difference being that they read some of their blog posts out to an audience on a Sunday morning. If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. No pastor that is paid full-time could say that and be hired or kept on in a Baptist church. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. Took me six months before my stamina came back and over a year before my gut felt normal again. rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. Sopy, youve been too long on the mushrooms I think. And just in case you think that we are all sitting around on our duffs waiting for the pastor to do something, I want to reassure you that we are doing lots of things. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. Interesting, I always thought Platt was the dullard they sent on errands when they talked about the secret stuff. Small fellowships are well and good, but you darn well better get your fanny in a seat to hear the pastor preach on a regular basis, or else youre doin it wrong. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. Mahaney was never a Calvinist, much the same as these New Calvinists arent either. That idol of Authoritarianism is the reason, IMO, that the competing factions of Calvinists and Traditionalists have been willing to make at least the appearance of peace in the SBC. The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. I believe this is the main reason why people desire to be where everyone knows their name, as in the tagline from the old show Cheers. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. Christianity started around a table, not a pulpit. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are exercised in a corporate setting. McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. Human nature says yes. In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. and to piggy back.. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions.. not b/c God loves u.. not b/c God wants to spend eternity w/ u.. etc. Soon the hospital evidences a growing problem. Ive just looked again at David Platts photograph at the top of this thread. Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. Incidentally, they didnt go there to preach the gospel as such. This is it in its entirety. @ Jeffrey J Chalmers: And when we take the word pastor and make of it a title and paid formal position rather than a gifting useful for service to others (which is all it appears to be in Eph 4), and when that position is essentially that of congregational CEO who is the head motivational speaker and (hopefully benevolent) king to whom all submit (rather than submitting one to another, and ultimately, of course, to Jesus), why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. Theyre not, but thats not really the point here. (1) fr. While he was at Brook Hills it was practically heresy to disagree with David.). @ Paul: Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. You are correct if one finds a 501(c)3 church establishment which has all the makings/trappings of being a place where one man is apparently in charge, this is certainly not a true biblical representation of a local body of Christ. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching (5:17). My reference to man was meant as human.. ), theres a church here in Stirling I know of that, as far as I know, has left the Kirk and gone independent; there are undoubtedly others locally I dont know about. I would put those other elements that you mentioned at the center, and leave the weekly preach as an option. He will never know the names of the members of his church. John 3:16 God so loved the world.God loves us all and wants us to spend eternity with him. and if he doesnt, theres no reason not to create them ourselves. I do not make any claim to have arrived as a Christian, but I do have a daily practical intentional walk with Jesus. And when it goes badly we want to blame the clergy for not being Jesus to us. Wasnt there some problem or other with Elis sons, taking the best parts of the sacrifices for themselves? I look forward to reading what she has to say about the sexual abuse coverup in the church her ex-husband, Joshua was senior pastor. WebDavid Platt is a great example of a man who may have a speech impediment yet the listener is captivated by his genuine passion for the gospel. I offer this link to Lon Solomons 2017 letter to the congregation where he announces stepping down as senior and teaching pastor. It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. Many in the radical reformation rejected that idea as unbiblical. This event basically served as a promotion for one of Platts books and undoubtedly it boosted sales back in the USA. I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. Its absurd on its face, its not true. But what exactly do these terms mean? On the other hand, in the church some members of my family attend, there is the sometimes subtle and sometimes in-your-face message that if you dont attend a church following the 9Marks model on a regular basis (no! Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church. These pastors do a lot of fund raising in the USA, selling themselves as making a huge impact on the muslim world for the cause of Christ. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: This post has many thoughtful insights, especially the character qualities needed to be a loving pastor. MBC initially became a cooperating church in 2016 when it became the hub for the North American Mission Boards church-planting efforts in the Washington, D.C., area. Not screaming like his passengers. One of the commenters proceeded to lecture me on how everyone has the same 24 hours in a day and that I was just being lazy on getting my own information. Is it any wonder why those of discerning tastes are leaving the brand of loyalty and switching bakeries? Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. Could you comment on that? No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, We need to assemble, and we need each other to live out the one anothers. Christ gave Himself for the Church. Arrrgh. That is the reason for the revisiting language, I think. David and his wife, Heather, have four children. Im not there yet. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. Both should be evident, though. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. 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